It’s Not 2006 Anymore; The Useful, Vernacular Institution; What Is Free Our Feeds, Anyway?
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It’s Not 2006 Anymore; The Useful, Vernacular Institution; What Is Free Our Feeds, Anyway? has @danhon's perspectives on the #ATmosphereConf. An excerpt:
"It felt like being at an O’Reilly ETech conference in the early 2000s. These were the conferences where web2.0 was invented, solidifed, and named. They were incredibly optimistic times and clearly with the benefit of hindsight, we were stupendously naive and privileged. You just have to look back over the last 18-odd or so years to see how what we thought would happen by default (“more people connected means good things will happen!) totally did not happen and instead ended up reinforcing and making existing power structures worse. Sorry.
But the energy from those conferences was there over the weekend. It felt like the beginning of something that could make a difference.
What matters is how different ATMosphere 2025 was. For one, the people who were there in the early 2000s were there to say amongst other things: these are the mistakes we made. These are the assumptions we made. Please make new mistakes. There’s no need to go over what we did. Here’s what we learned. Here were our blindspots. Here’s who wasn’t in the room. So it was different -- and better -- that Rudy Fraser from Blacksky was there.
Now is the time that we need to be making new mistakes."
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It’s Not 2006 Anymore; The Useful, Vernacular Institution; What Is Free Our Feeds, Anyway? has @danhon's perspectives on the #ATmosphereConf. An excerpt:
"It felt like being at an O’Reilly ETech conference in the early 2000s. These were the conferences where web2.0 was invented, solidifed, and named. They were incredibly optimistic times and clearly with the benefit of hindsight, we were stupendously naive and privileged. You just have to look back over the last 18-odd or so years to see how what we thought would happen by default (“more people connected means good things will happen!) totally did not happen and instead ended up reinforcing and making existing power structures worse. Sorry.
But the energy from those conferences was there over the weekend. It felt like the beginning of something that could make a difference.
What matters is how different ATMosphere 2025 was. For one, the people who were there in the early 2000s were there to say amongst other things: these are the mistakes we made. These are the assumptions we made. Please make new mistakes. There’s no need to go over what we did. Here’s what we learned. Here were our blindspots. Here’s who wasn’t in the room. So it was different -- and better -- that Rudy Fraser from Blacksky was there.
Now is the time that we need to be making new mistakes."
The energy at #ATmosphereConf was indeed very positive and optimistic, and there were some great talks and discussion sessions. Dan's got a great summary of @kissane's talk; @rudyfraser.com's talk starting at 1:34:30 in the Sunday livestream is great as well.
And as for the #FreeOurFeeds session Dan describes so vividly ... the session I suggested that hile I very much agree with their goal of European data soverignty and it's great to hear his perspectives that funders are willing to invest in it, the initial focus on a relay - or slightly-broader focus on a relay and PDS - isn't going to get them there, they really need to take a system view. The response was something along the lines of "let me turn it around and ask what you think are the key aspects from the system view." Wait a second, I'm not the one who's trying to raise $30 million here! Oh well, they once again got a lot of feedback, let's see if they incorporate it.
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It’s Not 2006 Anymore; The Useful, Vernacular Institution; What Is Free Our Feeds, Anyway? has @danhon's perspectives on the #ATmosphereConf. An excerpt:
"It felt like being at an O’Reilly ETech conference in the early 2000s. These were the conferences where web2.0 was invented, solidifed, and named. They were incredibly optimistic times and clearly with the benefit of hindsight, we were stupendously naive and privileged. You just have to look back over the last 18-odd or so years to see how what we thought would happen by default (“more people connected means good things will happen!) totally did not happen and instead ended up reinforcing and making existing power structures worse. Sorry.
But the energy from those conferences was there over the weekend. It felt like the beginning of something that could make a difference.
What matters is how different ATMosphere 2025 was. For one, the people who were there in the early 2000s were there to say amongst other things: these are the mistakes we made. These are the assumptions we made. Please make new mistakes. There’s no need to go over what we did. Here’s what we learned. Here were our blindspots. Here’s who wasn’t in the room. So it was different -- and better -- that Rudy Fraser from Blacksky was there.
Now is the time that we need to be making new mistakes."
Absolutely loved Dan's clear concise summary of the #FreeOurFeeds technical plan. If anyone was worried that this multi-million dollar boondoggle is a hopeless hairball, feel like those concerns are set straight.
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The energy at #ATmosphereConf was indeed very positive and optimistic, and there were some great talks and discussion sessions. Dan's got a great summary of @kissane's talk; @rudyfraser.com's talk starting at 1:34:30 in the Sunday livestream is great as well.
And as for the #FreeOurFeeds session Dan describes so vividly ... the session I suggested that hile I very much agree with their goal of European data soverignty and it's great to hear his perspectives that funders are willing to invest in it, the initial focus on a relay - or slightly-broader focus on a relay and PDS - isn't going to get them there, they really need to take a system view. The response was something along the lines of "let me turn it around and ask what you think are the key aspects from the system view." Wait a second, I'm not the one who's trying to raise $30 million here! Oh well, they once again got a lot of feedback, let's see if they incorporate it.
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Absolutely loved Dan's clear concise summary of the #FreeOurFeeds technical plan. If anyone was worried that this multi-million dollar boondoggle is a hopeless hairball, feel like those concerns are set straight.
Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if #FreeOurFeeds incorporates the feedback.
Although, one of the biggest things people were giving #FreeOurFeeds a hard time about was their out-of-touch focus on relays and lack of awareness that they're fairly cheap and becoming cheaper ... a perspective that's very common (and equally out-of-touch) here in fedi as well. And, we've also got boondoggles here, just with somewhat-lower stakes (hundreds of thousands instead of the millions). So, there's a lot of learning for fedi from this session as well, and it'll be just as interesting to see whether the feedback gets incorporated.